Hi, I was wondering if anyone could provide some suggestions for some Mid-, Near- Eastern music. I draw toward darker artists, albums, moods much more than lighter; those that hold thunder and night in them. I seem to come across a lot of metal and neoclassical -not a great fan of either- when searching. Also, not too fond of new age or ambient, electronica or "worldbeat", most I've heard makes me cringe- too plastic and inauthentic- but I love Niyaz. I suppose like anything, if it is done well it transcends. So, traditional or modern(without too much sticky gloss). Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks very much.
Adam
Thanks very much.
Adam
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Re: Darker Mid-, Near- Eastern Music?
Thu, February 7, 2008 - 9:10 PMHi Adam,
I think a problem lies in the very description of what you are looking for, if what you are looking for is authentic or traditional middle eastern music that paints a picture, tells a story or is conceptual. The evocative terms thunder and night are not used in a visual or conceptual way in middle eastern music, but to evoke emotion.
Middle Eastern music, traditionally, is emotional in nature. It is employed for celebration, to express ecstasy, convey loss or grief, profess longing and espouse love. There is a cathartic quality to much of it. The evocation of visual imagery is generally limited to comparisons of one's love to the moon or a flower, of perhaps one's grief to the darkness of night, or the longing for one's home land that is triggered by the smell of a sea breeze.
Additionally, the tonal qualities of many of the maqamat (Arabic system of scales only loosely translates it) may not have the same interpretation for an Arab as for a westerner. Authentic middle eastern music can be very enigmatic to the western listener.
There may be modern composers for whom this has changed, but hat would be under the influence of western thought and theory and not traditional middle eastern music per se. I afraid that I really am not very familiar with many middle eastern composers who take this approach as my heart was captured by the more traditional music. You wish to check out Omar Faruk Tekbilek, his work may hold something of what you are looking for, though maybe not intentionally on his part.
Persian music may also be a little closer to what you are looking for, too. But I really don't find much of it particularly "dark".
Best of luck in your quest.
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 9:24 AMYou may like Khalas, they are a Palistinian/Israeli Metal band.
Azam Ali, Haunting female vocals
Ofra Haza's Kiyra ablum is mostly dark (to me anyway)
You could try Beats Antique
Those are all more modern arangements though.
If you are looking for laments with tradtitonal music there is an album Cry to the Moon (Taqasim lil Qamar) by Sands of Time with very beautiful stongs on it
House of Tarab has a few ney and oud Taqsims that are fabulous too.
Claude Chalhoub is a beautiful violinist who does tradional music on top of some bass beats.
Djinn does tradtional music too.
I hope that helps, I think you can find most on Myspace and tribe.
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 12:28 PMhi! well, things i like and which sound "dark " to me are:
traditional/ older styles:
1. Arabic Saidi and Gulf music
2. some / a lot of Turkish Roman music
3. old Moroccan / i guess a lot of N African
4. a lot of music which uses the instruments: zurna / mizmar and davul / tablah beladi, kemance(spike fiddle), mid east bagpipes(tulum/gaida), ney/nai(flute), or ud/oud(lute)
5. classical/popular arabic and turkish music and improvisations(taksim) which use the makam(scale) such as: Saba(h), Uşak, Hicaz, Kurdi, Nihavent, and more.... so look for pieces in these makam. many albums will list the 'scale' of the piece. also a lot of classical music such as the saz samaisi and peşrev forms are named according to what makam they are using.
6. Turkish saz / Bağlama music, some areas have really dark and groovin' stuff
7. sufi music in general
Modern:
1. Some of Karim Nagi / Turbo Tabla
2. not really my thing but turkish artist Mercan Dede might be right for you based on the Niyaz
3. a few things from Omar Faruk Tekbilek are darker
well that's off the top of my head that is easy to get in n dakota(!).... except for the turkish roman(maybe look for Selim Sesler)
enjoy,
david
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Re: Darker Mid-, Near- Eastern Music?
Fri, February 8, 2008 - 8:39 PMWow, some great suggestions already. Jerry, I really like your description of the emotional nature of ME music. I have tried to explain this concept to friends, but haven't been able to do it well. And David, I agree that the gypsy/Rom music and some mizmar music (combined with the tabl baladi/davul) have a cool tribal feel to them.
The idea Adam describes reminds me of some modern American takes on near eastern music, usually by artists who have studied very closely with Middle Eastern masters. I would try:
**Solace - Alexander Soto, based in California. A lot of his stuff reminds me of a desert pilgrimage or a nighttime tribal ceremony around a fire in the desert.
**Kara Nomadica - very accomplished musicans in Colorado. Their stuff is saz-heavy and has a cool, dark feel.
**Traveler - based in Arizona - Edric Aziz and Scott Jeffers. Really cool near-east inspired music.
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 6:39 AMQuick correction Elissa, it's Jeremiah Soto not Alexander Soto. -
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 11:48 AMHey Jeremiah, guess what i saw in hawaii this year ;)
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 8:58 AMA sack of salty nuts?!!?!?!? -
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 7:02 PMSeveral!
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 9:00 AMNo problems, I have a problem remembering names. I just shout out "hey", and 80% of the time I get a response.
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 11:36 AMhi elissa, since you enjoyed jerry's description of emotion in this music, i would suggest you try to get a copy of a.j. racy's book :making music in the arab world, the culture and artistry of tarab. he covers this concept in detail. it has been very informative for me and i believe jerry has read it and did a good job of expressing that idea.
also, as for the music ideas, some of ekova's stuff might be somthing you would like adam.
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 8:14 PMWow, sounds great, I'll have to get a copy. =)
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 1:32 AMI always tried to get hands on the song Habibaha, sung by Abdel Halim Hafez. I saw a recording where he sung it. There is a poem he is singing, and it has a kind of dark mood to it. It is "authentic" ME music but modern as far as its time was concerned. There are some sound effects that underline the sort of feeling of something bad going to happen soon. It is amazingly atmospheric.
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 6:44 AMHello Adam, I do have a couple of artists that might interest you on my label, visit Eventide Music Productiuons at www.empcds.com and sample these titles:
CD's by Solace:
Nagari
The Gathering Season
Ahsas
Dark Light in the Wake of Silence by Knossos
CDS by Maduro:
Shimmer Sustain
Juno Wakes
Strange Flesh by Various artists.
Hope this helps! Contact me if you have questions, emprod100@aol.com
Best wishes and happy hunting!
Jeremiah
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Sat, February 9, 2008 - 9:37 AMHey Adam,
All the suggestions I read from the other replies sound great (especially hearing me recommended). But there are a few that I think hold that darker sound you might want.
I have an ex-girlfriend from Istanbul that got me this CD called 'HIC' by Erkan Oğur, it's very haunting. Also, there is a modern CD called Arabesque that has some cool tracks. Omar Faruk Tekbilek is good, also a group called VAS.
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 2:00 PMYes, I'm sure you would love VAS, Adam-- it has the same main singer as Niyaz! Google "Azam Ali" if you want to find more examples of where you can find her voice; she does lots of solo work, guest artist work, and even stuff on movies and video games!
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